Posts by Franklin Massey

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What was your most DISTURBING event as an elder ? (Per T.O.S. no full names please).

by Balaamsass in

i'll start the ball rolling.

dealing with kids in any type of judicial manner.

i would do everything i could to get parents to "deal with it-kindly" at home.

Franklin Massey

Two things come to my mind immediately. One issue was an ex-con, former pedophile who was studied with in prison and when released, began attending our congregation. There was a lot of controversy about how to handle the situation because the man was fresh out of prison and was still working on making behavioral adjustments in his life. Also, we had a lot of young children in our hall. A couple of the elder's wives got word of the man's past and that really heated things up. Watching the elders try to obey the Society's strict guidelines in the face of genuine concern from other elders, their own families, and the friends was a shocking taste of reality for me. Overall, it was a bad situation for everyone involved, including the man, who I believe wanted to do right but was deeply troubled and unstable.

The other issue was when a young brother got into trouble for a single incident of over-drinking. He was dealt with in private but because the incident happened at a brother and sisters home with a couple of congregation members present, a marking talk was arranged. The talk was supposed to be general, to let those who knew of the situation that the matter had been handled while still preserving the dignity of the repentant young brother. A loose cannon elder who was chosen to give the talk didn't like the young brother and used the marking talk to detail all of the events of the evening, only leaving out the names of those involved. He made the young brother sound like a real creep, which he was not. Then he and another elder made calls to other halls, warning elders and families that this young brother has been engaged in wrongdoing and that he is bad association. It was a real mess. The congregation was upset, this young brother lost a bunch of friends and went into depression, and his family developed a hatred for the offending elders. Eventually the CO got involved and disciplined the elders and then worked personally with the young man to restore his faith in the Organization.

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LeavingWT's DA letter

by irondork in

the blood issue has been an ongoing arguement between the roomie and me.

not heated, by any means, but she keeps qouting back established wts reasoning on the subject.

"it's feeding, jason.

Franklin Massey

When I read Leaving's DA letter, I took my Medical Directive card out of my wallet and threw it in the trash. Then, I went home and shredded my DPA form. It was a long time coming and that letter gave me the nudge I needed to do it.

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"Theocratic Warfare" and the Annual Report

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

one of the things i certainly noticed as a jw, and even during the time i was in bethel, was the complexities of reporting "truth.".

beginning with an observation on a personal level, i consider myself an honest person.

but something happened along the way, beginning when i pioneered.

Franklin Massey

I was one of those attendants. I did it at conventions, assemblies and meetings. I wanted so badly for the numbers to be "encouraging" so I would always round up at big events. At meetings I would count a couple of extra people on the phone tie-in. My friends did the same.

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For those still "in" the W.T , a Moral Question.

by wobble in

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for those who are still in the jw/wt religion for whatever reason , and to whatever extent, i ask :.

how high would you rate your moral standards ?.

where do you stand on telling lies, upholding truth, deceiving others etc ?.

Franklin Massey

I know that I am wasting my time. But it's not my time that I am concerned with at this point. It's my family's time. I have opened up a little bit to a few close family members and friends. In most cases, they open up too and I learn that many JWs have at least one major issue with the Org that they battle with. But so far, none see enough evidence to leave the religion. They are convinced that even if it's imperfect, even if mistakes are made, God is behind it all and everything will eventually be taken care of. Also, the emotional connection to religious belief leaves them with a "Where else would I go?" attitude.

I don't see any chance of "getting them out." My only reasonable hope is that things will get so weird in the JW religion that open minded people may sympathize with those who decide to leave. Even that is a big stretch but it's the only scenario that makes sense to me right now.

I know that if I was to profess my true beliefs and leave, it would crush them. They would be in despair. I can't put them through that. So I hang on. I can be a low activity/low commitment player for a while. I can keep my mouth shut and play dumb. It's not a noble, courageous course, but it is what I have chosen for the time being so that I can still have contact with my family and friends.

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Have you read Crisis of Conscience and still remained a JW in good conscience?

by mankkeli in

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i am just curious if anyone read crisis of conscience and still remained a jw with a good conscience?..

Franklin Massey

Good point, Ding. Another scripture comes to mind: 1 Corinthians 10:13. They reason that God would never allow something to come before them that could totally break their faith.

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For those still "in" the W.T , a Moral Question.

by wobble in

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friends

for those who are still in the jw/wt religion for whatever reason , and to whatever extent, i ask :.

how high would you rate your moral standards ?.

where do you stand on telling lies, upholding truth, deceiving others etc ?.

Franklin Massey

How high would you rate your moral standards? On what scale? I would like to think that my morals are high but I'm just an imperfect animal still trying to figure it all out. My morals are dictated by each individual situation I encounter and what the effects the results of my decisions would have on me and those around me. My morals are subject to change and I don't really wish to push them on anyone else. My moral standards have increased since I mentally left the JWs.

Where do you stand on telling lies, upholding truth, deceiving others etc? At this point in my life, it has never hurt me more to lie than it does now. I feel so incredibly accountable for each thing I say and do. That's why I stepped down from being an elder. I couldn't handle the double life anymore. I am searching for truth and trying to avoid deception. This is very difficult since I am still "in" the JW religion.

Does the end justify the means? Too broad. Every situation is different. Not sure how answer this.

Where do you stand on associating with people who do not act in a way you approve? As I said in my response about morals, I try not to push my beliefs and opinions on others. If an associate was doing something that is very dangerous or destructive to themselves, or to me, I would avoid them. I'm very liberal though, so it would take a lot for me to write someone off.

How do you feel about how the world of normal people views you? As an adult, I have always been the type who gets this response from non-JWs when they find out about my religion, "You're so normal for a JW." I used to take pride in that because I didn't want my religion to be viewed as weird. But it is weird. I don't want anyone to think that the JW religion is in any way "normal." There are normal people within the JWs, but the religion itself, the doctrines and rules, are not normal. Most "normal" JWs are breaking some of the rules. Hardcore JWs are rarely viewed as normal by non-JWs. Currently, if asked about religion, I do not identify myself as a JW. I'm only a JW on paper, according to the congregation publisher card.

How do you draw the line on what you will not do at the bidding of the WT? I push "conscience matters" to the limit. I decline offers to "reach out." I keep a low activity level in the Org. Fortunately, I have not been put in a position where a really serious matter requires that I take a stand against the WT. Yet. I would accept blood. I wouldn't shun a close friend or family member. I wouldn't profess allegiance to the WT in the face of persecution.

What is personal integrity? I wish I could speak on this point but in relation to the WT Society, I don't feel I've done enough yet to talk with any authority on the subject. I would like to say that personal integrity is standing up for what you know is right, despite the pressure to do otherwise. That definition doesn't fit me right now. I'm still in. I'm doing this weird balancing act so that I don't lose family and friends. Each meeting I attend, each morning in service I show up for, each prayer that I say "amen" to, takes a little piece of my integrity away.

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Have you read Crisis of Conscience and still remained a JW in good conscience?

by mankkeli in

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i am just curious if anyone read crisis of conscience and still remained a jw with a good conscience?..

Franklin Massey

CoC broke my heart. When I finally had the courage to read it, I devoured it quickly. With each turn of the page, my suspicions about the Org were proved correct. In the rare event that I begin to question my current stance on the JW religion, I just think back to the incredible amount of facts and documentation provided in the book and just like *that,* I snap back to reality.

But the serious brainwashing - and inevitable cognitive dissonance - that comes with being a Witness makes it possible to read the book (or at least parts of it) and dismiss it as a really, really clever trick of that wicked master deceiver, Satan. He makes lies look like truth. He makes darkness look like light. For many JWs, 2 Corinthians 11:14 is all they need to ignore the cold, hard facts that prove that all is not well in Watchtowerland.

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new to JWN

by Brad Wilson in

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have been a member of jwr since 2008 and have not been to hall since june 2009, have celebrated 2 yrs without memorial - woohoo - that being said i have stopped by here frequently and decided yesterday to join your group.. it has been very enjoyable to read your stories as well as the other group i have been with, and so it just seemed reasonable to belong to both.. my story is no differant than all the others, the only thing is i was not born in.

that being said i also have no real issues with being an apostate (although i do believe it is used in the perjorative sense by the wt).. peace - brad.

Franklin Massey

Welcome, Brad. With your feet on solid ground and feeling that the WT can't harm you now, your input on this board will be much appreciated. Many of us, myself included, still have ties with the Org and have a hard time figuring out how to achieve a successful departure from the JWs without too much collateral damage.

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"Doom Now Awaits Them...They Will Not Survive Armageddon!"

by Franklin Massey in

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here's a nice, positive, uplifting song from the jehovah's witnesses' "sing to jehovah" song book.

my favorite part is at 1:30.

Franklin Massey

If you mean that you can't believe you used to sing this, then, me too. It was used as the first song at our meeting yesterday and when I got to the part about not surviving Armageddon and I just stopped singing.

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"Doom Now Awaits Them...They Will Not Survive Armageddon!"

by Franklin Massey in

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here's a nice, positive, uplifting song from the jehovah's witnesses' "sing to jehovah" song book.

my favorite part is at 1:30.

Franklin Massey

So far the video has 25 likes and 1 dislike. Check this comment out:

"exellent my fellow brother! terrific? work!

P.S. that one dislike is satan."